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| Date Submitted: | July 19, 2010, 9:16 am GMT | ||
| Last Updated: | July 20, 2010, 7:41 pm GMT | ||
| Submitted By: | cansavelives | ||
| Name: | Green Smiley / Giggle (Legal High / Party Pill) | ||
| State/Province: | WA - Perth | ||
| Logo: | Smiling Face on both sides | ||
| Colour: | Lime Green | ||
| Shape: | Round | ||
| Height: | 6 mm | ||
| Width: | 9 mm | ||
| Texture: | Well pressed, smooth | ||
| Edges: | Slight/barrelled - no bevel | ||
| Report Quality Rating: | not rated | ||
| Description: | Ok this is my first ever report so be nice! Thought I would put this up as I always test and haven't seen this one up and I know its circling the Perth area atm. This is a larger than normal size, the outside of this has the green outer layer as you can see in the photo, it has bit of a silver shimmer to it and this tasted spicy to me. The inside is the pill contents which was beige/white it was crumbly and tasted bitter. I tested on the Mandelin and it came up a bright royal blue within 5 seconds then went to black. Apologies for lack of photo at the moment as I took it on my phone and am having trouble getting it onto my laptop. |
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| Suspected Contents: | Other - please see report | ||
| Rating: | Unknown | ||
| Warning: | yes | ||
| Tested: | yes | ||
| Mandelin Reagent: | Black | ||
| Consumed: | yes | ||
| User Report: | So i was told to only have half at a time as these were apparently 'strong' and I was told not to rack cos it burnt the dealers nose - which made me a bit suss but the results showed black so i thought I'd have a crack. I was also told people vomit off these but after vomit the high will come on straight away. I consumed a total of only one and a small amount of alcohol through out the night too, only about 3 drinks. 10pm: Swallowed half within half an hour to 45mins i was getting tingling in hands and feet, started to feel rushes of excitement. Between hour and hour and a half i was dancing with friends (trying to dance like i was flying!) started to feel really floaty and on clouds felt really good, really happy and at peace with everyone. Had another half. At this point I was like this one was a winner, i was ready to take on the world and go out and do some serious dancing. This is when things turned at about two hours in, i started to feel really lethargic, I wanted to go home and sleep. Got into the car anyway drove into the city. I felt really really nauseated had me head out the window incase I needed to vomit. Still went out but apparently looked like hell, I felt so ill and just didnt want to be apart of it. I went home at about 1:30-2amish had the bucket next to me all night. Couldnt sleep all night. All throughout the next day until about 1pm i felt nauseated. No shitty come down like the pipez tho. Other friends (3) who had these the same night were vomiting until the next day. Though i know other friends had these on the weekend just gone felt nauseated but didnt vomit did leave to go home earlier than normal. All in all i do rate the high i got as I havent had that in a long time it was a really euphoric high that lasted approx an hour, but absolutely hated the nausea feeling. Thats why i think its mdxx with something else. If anyone else has had these let me know how you went! Thanks. _____________________________________________  |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 9:50 am GMT by devlinsa [Website Removed -Seith] Sorry dude, you got ripped off. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with these, but they aren't mdxx. I've got mates who have had these in NZ and loved them, but they knew what they were - bought them over the counter and paid a fraction of what a pill ought to cost. It worries me that people might think these are the real deal - if they double or triple drop they could be in serious strife. Stay safe. |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 9:59 am GMT by devlinsa P.S. unless your dealer was honest about these, WAPOL might be interested in his little business ;) Fair is fair. |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 10:28 am GMT by misteee wow, was gona say that is a incredible press |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 10:56 am GMT by kingpin007 @cansavelives You need to tell everyone that buys from the dealer whats going on ... but make sure you ask for a refund first !! before causing too much grief for him ;) |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 11:00 am GMT by longtimecoming Oh shit thought these looked familiar from the nz herbal days poor bugger |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 11:04 am GMT by dilated devlinsa is correct, these are without a doubt "herbal party pills", not any type of methylenedioxyphenethylamine (chemical class containing MDMA, MDA, MDEA, etc). Personally: After doing some research on them, it's my opinion that they're very unsafe. With published intake guidelines contradicting one another, and no definite list of what these pills contain, I don't understand why anyone would ingest even a single one of these while expecting a positive outcome. Personally2: I believe that in order for "herbal supplements" to achieve results otherwise gained through chemical means, there's a certain threshold of extremity that has to be crossed, and once you go beyond that point, too many possibilities of dangerous and undesired outcomes come into the picture. Point to Consider: Aside from this specific pillreport, many people have reported nausea (occasionally described as quite violent and severe, not to mention long lasting). It even says on many of the (probably illegal) websites that are offering these, nausea IS a side effect. They're telling you upfront that you're going to get sick, people. CONCLUSION/TLDNR: These are not MDMA, nor any variation of MDxx. They're not even chemical, really, but rather herbal. Unless you're planning on doing A LOT of research on these (and the mechanics behind herbal drugs in general) to ensure safety, I urge people to avoid these. The second R is my favorite, PLURR. Be safe. |
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| Posted on July 19, 2010, 12:52 pm GMT by thestudent14 Changed these to unknown, as they are not mdxx. Tough luck dude, and seriously tell your dealer, because if he is someone you use often theres a chance his getting screwed aswell. Fucked ay? How the LEGAL try hards of MDMA make people sick more often then the real deal. |
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| Posted on July 20, 2010, 12:59 am GMT by cansavelives Thanks for the input. I had my suspicions with this one but due to the mandelin test result i thought i would consume and yep will never take one of these ever again! Apparently these were brought over from QLD in a large quantity and i wont put price on here but these were selling higher than normal and after seeing the price on the website it makes me so angry! Im not sure if dealer knows but definitely the word is out in the perth area for people not to consume let alone waste money on these now! @devilinsa no dealer wasnt upfront said 'they tested it turned black, tried night before, best they'd had in ages' haha yes fair is fair i might see if they get more in and maybe wapol might be informed! cheers guys |
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| Posted on July 20, 2010, 3:25 am GMT by marley Updated name. ~Marley Mod |
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| Posted on July 20, 2010, 10:30 am GMT by jonnynapalm with dealers like this we need chopper reid back lol. what a pr*ck. he obviously told you to take half & not rack them as he probably thought u might die or some shit at least the report is up thats one good thing. sorry that u got ripped off dude. glad i have good contacts |
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| Posted on July 21, 2010, 8:59 am GMT by psilosubnaut Well I'll be damned! Dealers are still managing to pull off the herbal high sales to punters. I had to deal with the fall out of people drinking on these pills when I did crowd care at an event the last time I was up in Qld. The report really shows that the user has no idea what MD** compounds feel like and this is a major reason for the current lack of MDMA in the pill scene. Anything can be sold in it's place and misinformed people will still gobble it up as long as it gives an effect. What a sad state of affairs! dilated: You may think these are herbs due to the name 'herbal highs' but they actually contain a chemical known as DMAA (dimethylamylamine AKA Methylhexaneamine) Methylhexaneamine can be extracted from natural sources (same with many drugs), but it is most likely synthesized by reacting 4-methylhexan-2-one with hydroxylammonium chloride to give the oxime, followed by reduction via sodium in ethanol. Tasty? They also contain an as yet un-identified high molecular weight compound that the company will not elaborate on. It has so far baffled 2 Australian senior forensic chemists and one UK analytical chemist that I know of. Every mass spec has been different. Whatever it is, it can't be good! Far from herbal my friends... I recommend keeping up to date with all herbal highs so you know when someone is trying to sell you this crap. Party safe PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 21, 2010, 10:44 am GMT by sustanon Sad to see dealers passing these off as MDMA. They look very similar to the pills i came across in Europe a few years ago. Have a look lol http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=8390 Ive learnt to stay away from green smileys yuuck |
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| Posted on July 21, 2010, 11:12 am GMT by jonnynapalm whats more dangerous is that people are prepared to dabble with drugs when they have no idea what they are buying, & even worse the dealers dont even know what they are selling (in reality they do they just don't care). talk about flirting with death i have around 10 contacts, 1 sources straight from the presser & knows the exact contents of every batch she gets, 2 or 3 have a fair idea & at least have the brains to test even though they trust their suppliers 150%, the other 5 or 6 are idiots that sell whatever, buy the cheapest available & are all about the money, hence these people get nothing more than a 'what's up' from me when i see them around, they dont even try to offer me pills anymore they just save themselves the embarrasment when my first question is "whats in them?...."yes i can see what they are mate but WHATS IN THEM?" i guess what i'm saying is there's 2 reasons people should boycott bad pills/dealers, one so we can at least slightly eliminate some of the crap going around, & 2 to save our lives!!! |
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| Posted on July 21, 2010, 2:45 pm GMT by psilosubnaut ^^ the chances of a pill killing you are pretty slim. Dealers don't want to kill their clients, there's no money in that. They just want to make the biggest possible profits and will substitute MDMA with inferior substances to do so. Most replacements lack euphoria and cause nausea. It's never going to happen, but people should boycott every single pill on the current market for a couple of weeks. This is all it would take to get your point across and start change. There is nothing even half decent around by the old standards and it's sad to hear how many people are currently ripping themselves off and making pressers richer by the day. The buyers are currently playing into the suppliers hand MDMA is available in other countries to be pressed and can easily be made from Australian safrole containing plants. People are still buying pipes, RC's, amphetamines and god knows what else in their pills so why should a presser go out of their way to press MDMA and lose profits when they are still selling the cheap stuff? The ball is in the users court PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 22, 2010, 2:33 am GMT by djepp Intersting thing about the royal blue to black test results is that it is very similar to this report http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=22538#comments Could these two be the same chemical?? Any thoughts Psilo? |
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| Posted on July 22, 2010, 4:41 pm GMT by psilosubnaut While the possibilities aren't endless, there are quite a few ways to fool testers. They could easily be a similar chemical to that which is in the legal high pills or just another chemical that gives a 'false positive' result. There is even the possibility of them containing just enough MD** to give a decent result while the main active is something more sinister. I doubt the latter though I wont elaborate on this in a public forum as we don't need to give pressers any more hints on how to fuck pill users over now do we ;-) After many years of pushing for testing, it finally looks like we are getting somewhere and pills/powders confiscated at festivals or found by police, ambo's etc. could soon be tested with results passed on to the public. I truly look forward to this being implemented and also helping to get this information to the common users. Results will be posted on bluelight and myself or another mod will most likely post it on here as well. Stay tuned for more on that. Be very careful what you consume in these dark times Know your drugs and only use trustworthy sources PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 1:16 pm GMT by brindle88 @ psilo I wasnt incriminating myself because I dont do it anymore. I removed the comments anyway. Aslo Psilo, I am not convinced that the main reason for the drought is because of the availability of substitutes like pipes and legal highs. The substitutes are filling the void not creating a market. 90% of the pills that came into Aus from 1998- 2008 came from the netherlands. That supply does not exist anymore for whatever reasons: - crack down on precurser chemicals availability from asia, - dutch government crackdown as a result of USA pressure, - australias best dutch connection the calabrian mafia getting done. I am betting the last reason, the calabrian mafia getting caught is the main one. The supply of MDMA 1998 - 2008 was very controlled and im betting 70 to 90 % of the market was controlled by them. Also picture this: there are 20 of them sitting in jail awaiting trail for possible life sentences. They would know everyone and everything about Australias ecstasy trade. They would be doing deals with the police for reduced sentences for sure. This would be even more devastating to the market then the 15,000,000 pills that where siezed. |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 2:38 pm GMT by psilosubnaut Firstly, it's not smart to incriminate yourself by admitting dealing on an open forum. IP addresses can easily be traced. What would an idiot like me know though? Over the years, I have experienced toxicity from more drugs than I can count, some I knew what they were and just did way too much. While others were passed off to me as something that they were not eg. the infamous high dose ketamine, DOB, DXM and PMA pills of years gone by. This is what got me into researching in the first place. You guys can easily get knowledgeable enough and have the testing resources to not take adulterated pills. I have gotten all of my knowledge from the internet, books and talking to chemistry savvy friends. I have not been ripped off or taken anything bunk in many years. You too can make dealers shiver in their boots by picking them to pieces with your drug knowledge. People have been cashing in on the drug trade with dodgy product forever and this is not going to change any time soon. With the lack of MDMA at the moment it is stupid to be taking pills at all. Further more, if you are dumb enough to believe a dealer that says "this is the best pill in ages", buy it and then consume without testing. I believe you are asking for any incurred problems from consuming. As for "Prohibition of MDMA means that you will be prosecuted by the law if you are caught with it. Nothing else."... Well if it were as simple as that, we would not be having this argument, as, there would be nothing but high dose MDMA pills on the market. I can easily explain why this is not the case though... Over the years the prohibition of substances has lead to the control of precursor chemicals. The control of said chemicals makes it harder to make and therefore distribute a large amount of pure product. It is for this reason that prohibition causes the adulterated pills that are currently flooding the market. It is much harder to get MDMA than in years gone by, heck, the AFP are over in SE Asia burning tonnes of safrole every year (the main precursor chemical for MDMA), but the demand is still as high as ever. People who pass this poison off are scum and I would love to take to them with a baseball bat as much as you. Just remember that these people would also be selling high dose MDMA pills if there were such a thing on the Australian market. The scummers in my raving days were selling MDMA because that was what was around for the most part. It's a very bad scene to be in at the moment. I rejoice in having the fond memories of raving with thousands of people under the influence of the beautiful drug that is MDMA and never really having to worry about buying from randoms as the beans were always above 80mg of MDMA. I truly feel sorry for you guys that have to put up with the current market and i accept constructive criticism of my above post. I guess I see things differently to most because as I have studied the scene, the politics, the economics and the drugs for longer than most. Have a deep think about what is going on and what is truly causing the massive amount of shit pills and legal highs being passed off as ecstasy. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 23, 2010, 10:15 pm GMT by gobbledok We all need to set a precedent. If any fuckhead dealers knowingly sell these sorts of crap as mdxx we should all send their details to crimestoppers. Maybe if a few of them get busted the word will get around that you dont fuck your customers or they will fuck you back. Makes me so angry that these lowlifes can pass this shit off as the real thing. A mate got some of these things a few months ago but at least the guy had the decency to say they were legals and just give it a try but few weeks ago mate got some of these that "were the ducks nuts" |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 2:47 am GMT by yoyomabingo If only the ACCC had the power to enforce fair trading practices and protect consumer's rights with respect to drug dealers :) |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 8:46 am GMT by psilosubnaut If you are going to dob in dealers for selling these, then you might as well dob them in for selling every crappy low dose/bunk pill on the current market. You'd have to be fucking kidding yourself to think these are all that worse than some of the other crap circulating out there. You play the game, you take the risks. Don't be a fucking pussy and dob people in. Be smart and know your shit so well that you can't get ripped off and you can put these shit talking, money hungry wankers to shame with your knowledge of substances. Don't bring yourself down to their level. I'm sure some people don't even know that they are selling legal highs because they have just bought them from another source. Dodgy people are part of the drug dealing game and if you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen. It doesn't take much research to know what legal highs are about, take 5 mins out of your net surfing time to research legal highs and tell your friends to do the same. No one deserves to go to jail for non violent crimes. While I agree that it's a dog act to sell these. This would not be happening if it weren't for prohibition. Blame prohibition and the stupid war on drugs for the shitty pill situation, not the dealers. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 12:43 pm GMT by gobbledok Psilo i disagree strongly with your post. Many many years ago I used to sell these types of chemicals and i was very careful to only sell quality by ensuring they were always purchased from a reliable source and tested properly. Times have changed and these days there are a lot of creeps out there who knowingly (im not concerned about the ppls who arent sure what they have got) selling dud and completely dangerous pills to people. As there is no legal recourse to object to selling under false pretenses the only option (apart from just not buying but wre wll know this doesnt work in this game or any other for that matter) is to look at sending a message via a potential or real scare from our friends at the police dept. Dealers need to run their deals like a business - if you cant sell quality then dont deal full stop. Legal highs are my pet hate because someone (and not talking about the poor guy at the end of the chain) knowingly passes this shit off as "the best pills in ages". Selling poor quality mdxx is still acceptable is at least its not selling under false pretences. Of course prohibition being absolved would solve all of these problems and change overnight the second biggest worldwide business but that aint gonna happen anytime soon im guessing. |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 1:27 pm GMT by brindle88 The people who sell this crap deserve a severe punishment. They are blatantly and dangerously ripping people off. If you or anyone wants to dob them into the police go for it. 99% of the population would agree with you if you did. Psilo this is not a game as you stated this is real life. Have you ever experienced toxicity from drugs?? I have. And let me tell you that I would glady put a bullet in the head of the piece of shit that sold it to me. Prohibition does not give people the green light to become filthy dangerous scum who pass on poison to people. Prohibition of MDMA means that you will be prosecuted by the law if you are caught with it. Nothing else. |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 10:24 am GMT by psilosubnaut Why the hell did my reply end up mid way up the comments? Mods? Anyway, to the 2 posters above me, look up a few posts and you can read my reply It starts with "firstly" PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 11:45 am GMT by gobbledok Psilo fair comments. Think we have probably hijacked this thread enough but would be interested to chat more on bluelight about it. |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 1:17 pm GMT by brindle88 my reply ended mid way up as well. It starts whit @ psilo |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 2:29 pm GMT by psilosubnaut I think we all agree on the main points. I know the drought is mainly caused by the mafia bust of 2008, the biggest haul of MDMA on earth to this day. They were no doubt supplying 90% or even more of the Aus ecstasy market. The precursor restrictions are now what is stopping MDMA from making a come back until another solid international supply/distribution network breaks into the Aus market. (calling all european and canadian distributors ;-) hahaha) With pipes and research chems so easily obtainable it's no wonder that we are seeing the death of the Australian pill scene. A couple of people have been busted doing safrole extractions on Australian plants this year which would have also scared a few local would be MDMA chemists. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 8:17 am GMT by seith @ psilo's comments been randomly placed. It's a known bug and should hopefully be fixed when we work on the website and database in the coming weeks/months. |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 11:09 am GMT by psilosubnaut Phewww I thought it was terrorists or a nark infiltrating PR ;-) Thanks seith Still no info on the unknown high molecular weight compound, which is also contained in these pills along side DMAA. Let's hope it is illegal or a scheduled analogue of an illegil substance so these get banned on our shores for good! PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 27, 2010, 12:22 pm GMT by brindle88 Hey Psilo (or mod) Can a marquis test kit go off? Thanks |
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| Posted on July 27, 2010, 12:40 pm GMT by psilosubnaut Marquis can go bad in as little as 6 months. It starts to give false positives which is seriously not cool. It is wise to get a fresh bottle every 6 months for this reason. Google is your friend when it comes to such questions. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 27, 2010, 4:28 pm GMT by seith Brindle it is always a good idea to test you kits when you first get them. This thread here tells you what products will react to the individual kits. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=240514 The reason for this is so when you do suspect you kit may be going off you are able to test the same product you know to be pure and see if it still gives the same reaction. If you keep your kit in an air tight container in a dark cool place your kit should last quite a while, I can't give you an exact date obviously but my Mandelin reagent lasted well over a year. If you are unsure if your kit is still working correctly then it would be safest to replace it with a new kit. Seith -Mod |
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