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| Date Submitted: | July 24, 2010, 7:15 am GMT | ||
| Last Updated: | July 25, 2010, 10:57 pm GMT | ||
| Submitted By: | nortimiguel | ||
| Name: | Beige Starburst | ||
| State/Province: | Brisbane | ||
| Logo: | Starburst | ||
| Colour: | Beige, with flecks | ||
| Shape: | Round | ||
| Height: | 4 mm | ||
| Width: | 8 mm | ||
| Texture: | Hard, well pressed | ||
| Edges: | No bevel | ||
| Report Quality Rating: | not rated | ||
| Description: | SHAPE: Round. Back side is domed. Logo side is slightly domed. COLOUR: Beige with brownish specks. (excuse the photo - it's made them look darker than they are. Definitely beige). LOGO: Hard to describe. I'm describing it as a star burst. Impressed with lots of lines emanating from the middle. PRESS: Well pressed pill. Slightly shiny surface. EDGES: Clean, hard edge SCORE/SNAP LINE: No snap line SMELL: Mild musty TASTE: Slightly sweet. |
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| Suspected Contents: | MDxx | ||
| Rating: | MDxx Medium | ||
| Warning: | no | ||
| Tested: | no | ||
| Consumed: | yes | ||
| User Report: | UPDATED REPORT [It's now the day after, so I'm reworking this.] It's not a logo I've seen any info on yet, so might be a new batch. About me: Male, 6' tall, 85kg. I *was* a pretty experienced user, up until the great drought of 2008, and the subsequent piperazine flood. Last time I had anything was 7 months ago. Pills have an unusual taste. They're quite sweet, but there is a hint of aniseed when you chew them. Maybe they've been bound using a very sweet substance? I've tasted piperazines many times, and this is NOT that taste. (No fizzing or battery taste). --- report/experience --- Consumed a half at 1720 (normally I'd double drop if I know the pill is good - being cautious here). T+0:20 some sensation of floatyness. Not strong. Had a bowel movement (pills are a laxative to me). T+0:35 feeling squirmy. in a good and familiar way. T+0:45 45mins is traditionally the point where I really start to feel it. right now still squirmy and fidgety. feel slightly chilly, though have sweaty hands and feet. all good signs from past experience. visually starting to experience some effects. typing is getting hard. T+0:50 consume another half. all signs so far are very good. might find typing hard from here. notice an aniseed taste under the sweetness, that I hadn't noticed before. T+1:10 start to feel very nice. all floaty and happy. still on the way up. crush and snort another half _______ Over the next few hours I consumed another couple of pills. Very nice feeling, but not overly strong. Not energetic, but very happy. Actually yawning and sleepy at times. Minor jaw clenching and some eye wobbles (but not the same eye wobbles you get with MDMA... more random. hard to describe the difference). Was able to sleep soundly afterwards. Feel quite good the day after - I'm normally very ordinary after pills. My assessment: Not pipes. Definitely an MDxx substances, and almost certainly MDEA, and a medium dose of it (remembering that MDEA is a less potent chemical per mg than MDMA). Would I recommend them? Probably not. But then again, I was enjoying pills back in the day when they really had MDMA in them. It's not the same high, but many might still enjoy it. |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 8:07 am GMT by matt414 Good report. Weird press. What were they sold to you as? |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 8:10 am GMT by nortimiguel not as anything. just as pills :-) |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 9:12 am GMT by psilosubnaut Sounds like piperazines The blotchy yellowing of the pills also points to pipes The taste is easier to hide than the strong bitter taste of MDMA "Benzylpiperazine, like the amphetamines triggering the release of dopamine and norepinephine as opposed to blocking their re-uptake as do cocaine, amfonelic acid, and methylphenidate. Studies using known amphetamine/methamphetamine addicts showed that 100mg was not distinguishable from 7.5 mg of d-amphetamine. They also noted that lower doses were not detected by the subjects." Some people really enjoy the effects of pipes so don't be surprised when you find them hard to subjectively distinguish. "3-Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine Monohydrochloride (TFMPP), mimics MDMA in lab animals. A combination of BZP HCl and TFMPP has been observed to cause activity that is prefered to MDMA in chemical discrimination tests with lab animals." PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 9:23 am GMT by misteee thanks for the report norti! Pretty detailed :) Good ta see yaa on pill reports psilo! |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 9:28 am GMT by psilosubnaut I get around the traps mistee Whether or not people wish to take my info on board is up to them. I commonly get abused for giving detailed information on pillreports but for some reason I keep coming back for the sake of harm reduction :-) Can you please get these reagent tested norti? PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 10:09 am GMT by missymoo psilosubnaut Thanks for the info |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 10:32 am GMT by psilosubnaut No worries missymoo. I'm glad to help in these dark times This is a link to some erowid notes on the chemistry and pharmacology of 1-Benzylpiperazine (BzP) and some other pipes/analogues http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/piperazines/piperazines_info1.shtml You don't have to be a scientist to get the gist of the articles. It is well worth a read and will explain why piperazines are the number one MDMA substitute. For the record, pipes were invented to de-worm livestock and can easily be obtained in over the counter worming products. "Appearance colourles or yellow oil. Air sensitive moisture sensitive. (turns yellow from air/moisture exposure) Potential Health Effects: Eye: Contact with eyes may cause severe irritation, and possible eye burns. Skin: May cause severe irritation and possible burns. Ingestion: Not available. Inhalation: May cause severe irritation of the respiratory tract with sore throat, coughing, shortness of breath and delayed lung edema. Causes chemical burns to the respiratory tract. Chronic: Not available." You don't want to be taking these chemicals PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 12:02 pm GMT by thestudent14 PsiloSubNaut ~ Making pillreport mods look like a joke since 2010 =( Haha, thanks dude always good to see your head lending a hand, appreciated as always. Ts14 ~ Mod |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 1:09 pm GMT by brindle88 There are yellow suns doing the rounds in IBIZA at the moment. They are getting bad reports. I got that info from the bluelight thread. Im betting that these are the same pills. And yeah totally agree psilo, pipes for sure. |
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| Posted on July 24, 2010, 1:19 pm GMT by psilosubnaut Hahaha Nice one Ts14 and thanks for the kind words. I'm not here to take any mod glory. Just lending a hand and maybe trying to coerce some pill users over to bluelight so myself and the team can saturate their brains with a wealth of drug and harm reduction knowledge. You guys do an excellent job. I would hate to have your mod position with the pill scene the way it is, with so many uninformed/uneducated users out there guessing contents and what not. Due to my thirst for knowledge, wanting to know exactly what I am putting into my own body and what substances are out there. I have been studying piperazines, beta ketones (methylone etc.) and all these other obscure chemicals that are now showing up in ecstasy since well before most of you knew about them. For this reason I feel obliged to pass such information on to the end user. I study all drugs and it's getting to the point where ecstasy is so bad that it's users should look at doing the same thing. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 (^^^I'll keep this one for now) |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 9:06 am GMT by nortimiguel psilosubnaut: You might want to change your comments based on the updated report. I know you're trying to help, but these aint pipes. I've consumed pipes too many times (each time wishing I was dead for the next 24 hours), and these definitely aint them. |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 9:12 am GMT by nortimiguel brindle88: these are clearly not the yellow suns from Ibiza in the bluelight report. the logo is different - the yellow suns from Ibiza have a round circle coming out of the middle of the pill, the ones here do not. different colour too (sorry if my photo make them look yellowish. they're really beige). |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 10:23 am GMT by psilosubnaut I don't see any clear reason to change my above comments. While my guess is an educated stab in the dark, so is the user report. I would like to see a reagent test on these. Pipes in the correct doses and mixtures can give subjectively similar effects to MDMA. Most people who complain of being piped and feeling ill for a long time have usually had a massive dose of TFMPP. "Minor jaw clenching and some eye wobbles (but not the same eye wobbles you get with MDMA... more random. hard to describe the difference)." Could easily be low dose pipes Could also be another research chemical or even less likely an MD** substance I highly doubt MDEA, whilst the precursors are much easier to source than that of MDMA, it isn't as common as pillreports users would lead you to believe *sigh* Whatever they are they certainly aren't great so who cares??? PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 11:02 am GMT by watership Let's face it we need these tested before we can start assuming what's in them, and thanks to TS14 and psilofor putting in a great job around here it's very appreciated |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 11:19 am GMT by bne00 "TASTE: Slightly sweet." Doesn't that say it all? and the great pill drought of 2008?? I don't remember getting any shit that year, had some of the best pills of my life in 08 haha |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 12:38 pm GMT by whitesmurf MDEA is the next best thing 2 MDMA ive had some fun times on that stuff it just dont have the lubby dubbyness 2 it like MDMA but u still feel great ect |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 2:35 pm GMT by strike alight Colour looks very much like pipes to me. That yellowing effect. Ive had some decent feeling pipes before, it depends what its mixed with so i wouldnt be suprised if these were pipz even with a decent feeling report. Hopefully not but always good to be careful. Any chance of a tester? |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 3:29 pm GMT by thestudent14 @strike alight Quote nortimiguel: "these are clearly not the yellow suns from Ibiza in the bluelight report. the logo is different - the yellow suns from Ibiza have a round circle coming out of the middle of the pill, the ones here do not. different colour too (sorry if my photo make them look yellowish. they're really beige)." And thanks watership, always nice to be noticed :p Ts14 ~ Aus/Nz Mod |
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| Posted on July 25, 2010, 10:56 pm GMT by seith I've said it before and I will say it again, your comments are always welcome here psilo. I admire your knowledge and it's people like you that make me want to learn all I can and help out where possible. I've only been using drugs for a little over 2 years and still have plenty to learn. It's very obvious to informed, educated users that 99% of the pills around are rubbish. It's just a shame that 99% of users are not educated and informed. It's quite obvious when 2 recent reports that are put up as containing MDMA are both legal highs *yawn*.. I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to MDEA not being as abundant as users make it out to be. A recent example would be the Brown Euros that were 'MDEA High'. A user over on Bluelight tested them and had no reaction to Simons but had a reaction to Robadope which indicates the presence of a primary amine, that would include MDA, yet people still did not believe him. Either way I've changed the Suspected Contents to MDxx. Till a regular confirms these are not MDxx or someone posts some test results I would take caution before consuming these pills. If you continue to seek MDMA that is not around I suggest you invest a few dollars in a test kit. Seith -Mod |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 8:18 am GMT by jonnynapalm just thought i'd comment on yawning when your off chops, i cant remember the exact reason but we dont yawn because we are tired it actually has something to do with having too much energy. maybe someone else knows exactly what it is but all good pills make me yawn alot, its one of the few effects i get where i know its a good pill |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 8:32 am GMT by matt414 2 years back I watched a documentary on how yawning has never properly been linked to being tired. Just a thought. |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 8:48 am GMT by theballad psilosubnaut- i have been a long term observer of PR/BL and respect your knowledge on the topic. However, i agree with nortimiguel that these contain mdea ( a very mild dose). have been consuming these for the past month being sold as "white/ biege suns". tested numerous times with marquis and have had purple as a result on all occasions. comparing these to anything this year i would suggest they are decent. comparing them to the majority of prior to 05 i would suggest they are nothing..... Reasons for mdea suggestions: - duration last between 3-4 hours - take between 1- 1.5 hours to kick in if ingensted, nasaly they still take half an hour roughly - purple test results - on larger dose experienced mild eye wobbles/ jaw clenches, general wellbeing In saying that, i have consumed on 3 occasions over the last 3 weeks( first occasion consumed 3 over 3 hours with very mild feelings, next 2 occasions consumed 5 over each night), but wouldnt bother again, for someone who remembers how things were, its not cost efficent for me to play with these. new scale 7/10 with 10 being the chevys, x5s prior to 05 scale these would be lucky to get a 2... |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 9:38 am GMT by mrbyawiska had these about 2 months ago. Necked 1 along with 3 others and we all felt "something", was a little strange to be honest which I could best describe as uncomfortable for a while, was travelling to Vincentia for a weekend when we took them and unfortunately witnessed 2 head on crashes within 40 mins of taking them, thank god everyone was ok and we left the scene on a high note so dont think set and setting was a major factor on how the pills effected us. Arrived at our destination in good spirits but these pills made us feel a bit odd, we also had pink MTV's which we all took once we arrived at the destination (including the driver) and within an hour we were all off chops. We all experienced the MTV's before so could gauge that these "starburts" were pretty ordinary, or didnt contain any MDxx. Just to note: Myself and others in our group have experience with BZP and the like and I would say that these didnt contain any of the common piprezine blends, the taste was bitter as fuck |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 11:21 am GMT by psilosubnaut All I wanted to do was stir some juicy thought waves in the heads of pill reports users and also try to get some test results from other people who had consumed these pills. My stab in the dark guess of pipes may have been wrong, but i'm sure my posts helped to educate 1 or more people about pipes and that's what I really aim for. Question everything and try to know all you can. It will work in your favor! It appears that they may be MD** pills after all, albeit weak as usual. Thanks for the kind words seith, I am self tought and you will have my level of knowledge (maybe even exceed it) in coming years. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 12:42 pm GMT by thestudent14 It's a sad day when the "chevy's and x5's" are the benchmark. =( |
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| Posted on July 26, 2010, 6:03 pm GMT by psilosubnaut sigh =( Glad I was over pills by the time this drought hit. It just gets worse by the week. PsiloSubNaut - Moderator, Australian Drug Discussion http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=45 |
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| Posted on August 2, 2010, 3:17 am GMT by caspo7 Yawning is related to several things. Primarily it is to influx the brain with a quick dose of oxygen. But Yawning is also a psycho somatic reaction to the idea of tiredness, or outside stumuli. Its reasonable to assume that you oxygen levels are depleted when high on amphetamines, due to high heart rate not allowing proper blood oxygenation. And the fact that you'll take shorter breaths when on them aswell. If you can remember what it felt like to be peaking on MDMA. You'll remember at times you will make a big exhilation or two every now and again. Basically the same process, except the focus is on the outbreath, but you can't have a big outbreath without a big inbreath. From a yoga point of view, a yawn is a big pranic(energy)intake. Oxygen relaxes you, so as I said a psycho somatic reaction to a stimulus, from inside or out. |
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| Posted on August 2, 2010, 11:05 am GMT by splatt hahaha lol. I actually never tested these as I saw the crew pop them, mung out, shit talk. for hours hugging etc.. funny how their eyes werent even dialated, just a speedy stare. anyway I ate one and railed one just to see if i could get that munted feeling and went around the corner to get some nitrous..... fucking bublbs didn't even bring out anything but a speedy feeling, and it wasnt even a stimulating speedy nice feeling. was shit speed and some shit amount of some shit low dose mdxx. medium.? lol sorry I just had to come on and tell people once again to give up hope for MDMA rolls. i would of got more effected off snorting 100mg meph |
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| Posted on August 2, 2010, 11:09 am GMT by splatt MORE likely lowww dose MDA, lil bit of speed and antihistamines than MDEA bro. Thats why doubling might smash some people cos they're sensitive to MDA. ie. the brown euros and all that garbage. Police tested MDA+ speed... no mg released but i'd say people usually put 20-30mg max of MDA these days with maybe a OTC pharm in a pill. So yeah doubling those will make some people spin. |
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| Posted on August 5, 2010, 11:21 am GMT by caspo7 Don't give up hope people, It will return, just test everything, and refuse to buy bad shit. Cause I've been having some really good MD powder, so it has to at some point make its way into pills |
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